We have a very large cohort of Canadians of Chinese heritage. They would normally, and do, start up businesses. They often have or come to Canada with trade contacts, but it's not just those. The officers of not just Asian private companies, but CEOs and CFOs of large Canadian companies would normally be filling those business seats in aircraft between Shanghai and Vancouver, between Toronto and Hong Kong, etc.
Much of the trade is on autopilot and can be done remotely, as I am speaking today virtually, but particularly when it comes to investment, particularly when it comes to a company deciding that they're going to spend a lot of money developing the Chinese market for their products, there is nothing that substitutes for face to face. With COVID restrictions, which are still in place—hopefully for 2023 it will be in a different place—it's a bit like the shoe that didn't drop. You don't know what you've missed if it hasn't happened.
The trade has been maintained more or less on a stable basis, but we can't know what might have happened if we could have had a more normal exchange of business people in both directions. You can't quantify that. I am confident, though, that there are deals that have been missed and that there are exports that could have taken place that did not because of the COVID restrictions, which have also slowed the Chinese economy as well.