Mr. Chair, I ask the question because we haven't seen it only in Canada. It's an issue throughout democracies. Recommendations are put forward. There's a commitment that they will be implemented and that there will be follow-through. However, culture seems to stand in the way, so often, of lasting change coming to the fore.
I'm going to stick to the issue of culture in the minute and a half I have left.
You said that culture has to catch up with the facts with respect to how the Canada-China relationship has evolved, to the nature of the Chinese regime under its current leadership and to what that means for our national security.
How can culture catch up with the facts at places like the Winnipeg lab, which you said some might view as a medical facility more than anything else? I think you offered a compelling view, as have others at this committee, that it should be seen as a site of national security, first and foremost.