Yes. I think the Indo-Pacific strategy is in the right direction in the sense of both the breadth and the depth at which it is articulated. What I would say to deepen some of the points of the strategy that can be useful, is that beyond the substantive elements of the strategy, the way in which it is actually implemented and executed, I think, really matters.
For example, the people-to-people investment part of the strategy is a very significant element. How deep that goes in terms of establishing the right institutions, the right kind of trust and the right kind of frameworks for building Canada's relations with Southeast Asia and ASEAN is extremely crucial.
For example, building on civil society partnerships, building on universities to build intellectual partnership engagements, building on think tanks and research institutes in the region.... These kinds of dynamics are very useful in creating the right infrastructure that in the long run can help to build the right kinds of networks. They can also indirectly build liberal values and liberal institutions without doing this in a top-down way. That would contrast, as discussed in the earlier panel, with, for example, the more forceful and robust way of the United States in terms of advancing liberal values.