Personally, I don't think that policy should be led with AUKUS. Again, if we look at the other partners that we've just mentioned, they have established themselves as much more durable presences economically, diplomatically and strategically in the region. AUKUS, as Mr. Stephens said, is evolving, although I would argue that it is still considered, in Southeast Asia, as quite a militarized entity. There are challenges there. I believe that Canada is not served by allowing AUKUS policy to lead Southeast Asia policy.
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