Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
I thank our witnesses for being with us tonight.
My question is for both witnesses. It relates to what Dr. Goodman said about environmental, social and governance criteria, or ESG criteria.
You suggested that these criteria were not taken seriously, kind of like jokes, and that there were no real consequences for not following them.
Can you elaborate on what you think, Mr. Goodman, about these so‑called ESG criteria and what they represent in real life?
Ms. Calverley can speak afterwards if she wishes.