Evidence of meeting #75 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was files.

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Suzanne Legault  Information Commissioner of Canada, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

3:30 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pierre-Luc Dusseault

Good afternoon and welcome to the 75th meeting of the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics, today, April 24, 2013.

Today, we are making up for the meeting we weren't able to have with the Information Commissioner, Suzanne Legault. She is joining us today to discuss her office's annual reports for 2010-11 and 2011-12.

As usual, we will start with a 10-minute presentation, followed by members' questions. Ms. Legault will address both reports in her statement, so members of the committee are free to ask questions on either of the reports.

Without further ado, I will turn the floor over to Ms. Legault to present her two reports.

Ms. Legault, please go ahead.

3:30 p.m.

Suzanne Legault Information Commissioner of Canada, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

Thank you kindly, Mr. Chair.

Good afternoon. Thank you for your invitation to appear in relation to your study on my annual reports for the years 2010-11 and 2011-12. These two years represent the first two years following my official nomination as Information Commissioner, on the heels of having served in the position for an interim year in 2009-10.

Preparing for this appearance caused me to reflect on the work the OIC team has accomplished in the last three years. It also caused me to review the conditions that existed at the time I took the helm of the office, conditions that have informed and guided my actions since then.

Let me review these briefly.

First, when I took over as interim commissioner in 2009, the OIC was literally crippled by an unprecedented inventory of old cases, dating as far back as 2002. The number in the inventory at the beginning of that year stood at over 2,500 cases. This is compounded by the fact that the OIC has received in the last four years an average of 1,600 additional cases a year. The average turnaround time for a case at that time was around 450 days.

Second, the Federal Accountability Act had recently come into effect. It brought 69 new institutions under the purview of the act, most notably, as you know, a number of crown corporations, along with new exclusions and exemptions, which added a new level of complexity.

Third, there had been a steady decline in two key performance measures in accessing federal government information. In terms of timeliness, only slightly more than half of all requests made to federal institutions were completed within 30 days. In terms of disclosure, less than one-fifth of all requests resulted in all information being disclosed.

Fourth, the open government movement was developing rapidly at the time, in countries like the United States, the United Kingdom, and Australia.

And fifth, the office's corporate governance was in need of a serious makeover.

Given these challenges, I set out a clear direction in 2010-11 in the OIC Strategic Plan, which has three key result areas: exemplary service to Canadians, a leading access to information regime, and an exceptional workplace. The annual reports of 2010-11 and 2011-12, as well as the upcoming 2012-13 annual report, highlight our achievements in addressing these key result areas.

When I first took on the role of information commissioner, I made a commitment to maximize the effectiveness and timeliness of my office to meet the needs and expectations of Canadians. As the annual reports show, we have made great strides towards the achievement of this objective through sustained and ongoing efforts.

Let me give you some of the key numbers.

Our inventory now stands at—and allow me to do this—1,796 files. I know people tell me I'm not supposed to use exact numbers, but if you lived in my world, one less file is one more accomplishment. That amounts to a reduction of 28.5%.

We've had close to 7,300 complaints since April 2009, including some of our oldest and most complex cases that had accumulated in the office over the years.

Our average turnaround time is now 380 days, which is just slightly over 12 months. More importantly, if you take out the outlier, which is the old cases that we are continuing to close, our median turnaround time now stands at 215 days.

The one measure I'd like you to keep in mind for my next appearance on the main estimates is that our median turnaround time, once a case is actually assigned to an investigator, is now around 86 days. That means that when I have somebody to assign a case to, people can expect a result in 90 days. Unfortunately, I don't have sufficient people to assign all the cases to at this time.

One of the challenges we now face is the changing composition of our complaints. Our caseload is almost exclusively composed of complex refusal files. Really, about 88% of our files are now complex files, a large proportion of which deal with issues of national security and international affairs, complaints against the Canada Revenue Agency, and complaints against the CBC.

During the period of time under review, we dealt with some key investigations, such as the first referral to the Attorney General under section 67.1 and the special report dealing with interference in the processing of access requests.

During that time, we also had some key court decisions, such as the Bronskill decision, clarifying cases dealing with national security. There was also the Federal Court of Appeal's decision confirming the commissioner's authority to compel the production of documents under the control of the CBC. In addition, the Supreme Court of Canada issued a decision stating that ministers’ offices are not part of the government institutions for which they are responsible. These decisions are now being applied through our investigations, and our upcoming annual reports will shed light on their implications for requesters' rights.

On the key result area of a leading access to information regime, we have been active on several fronts. It is, of course, not a secret that I am a strong believer in the need for the Access to Information Act to be reformed. But the focus of our activities for the period under review was on the overall performance of the access regime and on open government.

During this period I completed the three-year plan on report cards, which specifically looked at timeliness. In the course of this project, we reviewed 32 institutions among those that receive the most requests.

We made a number of recommendations, both at the institutional level and at the Treasury Board Secretariat, the body responsible for the administration of the act. Most of these recommendations have been implemented and have achieved positive results, the most noteworthy being the collection of detailed statistics with a view to better diagnosing the problems in the system and the various modifications to Treasury Board policies dealing with delegation of authority in mandatory consultations.

The scrutiny of this committee over the years has also played an important role in prompting institutions on to better compliance with the act. I have asked institutions in the most recent report cards to report their progress in implementing our recommendations in their mandatory annual reporting to Parliament under the Access to Information Act. That request was granted by the Treasury Board Secretariat, which, to my knowledge, is going to require that institutions indicate their response to our recommendations in their reports to you.

It is my hope that this committee will review these reports and follow up on them as you see fit, to ensure ongoing scrutiny of the performance of institutions in meeting their access to information obligations under the act.

We also completed the investigation into the coordination of access to information request system, called CAIRS, where I recommended to the President of the Treasury Board that all federal institutions post the summaries of completed requests on their websites, and that a central search feature be enabled to allow the public to search the lists of requests.

Since January 2012, all federal institutions have to post this information on their website, and the government is planning to have searchable summaries by next year.

During the two years under review, I spent considerable effort on promoting the benefits of the open government movement—in speeches, before this committee in 2012, and through a joint resolution of all information and privacy commissioners in 2010, which called on all governments to embrace open government principles for greater transparency and accountability.

I was really happy to see that the government adopted an open government platform in the spring of 2011.

On behalf of all the information and privacy commissioners of Canada, I also sent a letter to the President of the Treasury Board last year to provide recommendations for the government's action plan for its work as a member of the open government partnership. The key recommendation, which was supported by all commissioners across the country, was to update the Access to Information Act.

In the fall of 2011, I hosted the 7th International Conference of Information Commissioners in collaboration with the Canadian Bar Association. This was the first time that the conference was held in Canada. This event brought together more than 250 participants, including 36 international, provincial and territorial commissioners. The conference culminated in the release of a joint resolution signed by commissioners of 23 countries, calling on governments to enshrine the right to information in national laws.

On the key result area of an exceptional workplace, we focused on developing an integrated human resources plan and modernizing the corporate governance of the office with the leading initiative of modernizing our IM/IT systems. This five-year strategy started in 2009 and is slated to finish in 2013-14. So far we are on time, on target and on budget.

This is but a snapshot of the work conducted at the OIC during the period of time under review today. As you can see by now, I'm actually very proud of everything we have accomplished. However, as you will see in my upcoming annual report for the year 2012-13, which will be published likely in June, much remains to be done, especially since the modest gains at the system level, which I reported upon in 2011-12, appear to have disappeared. After all, 2013 marks the 30th anniversary of the coming into force of the Access to Information Act, the key driver of democracy, transparency, and accountability. Let's make sure that we actually have cause to celebrate.

You will find in the package that was distributed a number of documents that provide a lot of additional information on the work of the office. I hope these documents will actually be helpful in answering your questions this afternoon.

With that, Mr. Chair, I'm ready to answer your questions.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pierre-Luc Dusseault

Thank you kindly for your presentation.

I will now hand the floor over to Ms. Borg, who has seven minutes.

Ms. Borg, please go ahead.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Charmaine Borg NDP Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Ms. Legault, for being with us today. Your comments were very informative, and I am certain your answers will be just as helpful.

In your report, you state that only 20% of access to information requests were answered in full, and that is a pretty troubling statistic from Canadians' standpoint. You also said, in an interview, that wait times for access to information requests had never been so long. I would like you to elaborate a bit more on that and speak to its impact on government transparency.

3:45 p.m.

Information Commissioner of Canada, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

Suzanne Legault

I am using statistics released by the government. Usually, the delay is over a year. The most recent statistics are from 2011-12.

The two major performance measures are response time and the quantity of information disclosed. Over the past 10 years, the best rate of performance has been 69% for cases processed within 30 days. That figure is now 55.5%. What that means is 7 out of 10 people used to receive the information requested within 30 days. Today, that number is 5.5 people out of 10.

The percentage for disclosure was as follows. Basically, in 40% of cases, all the documentation was disclosed. Now that figure stands at around 20%. That means, then, that 4 out of 10 pages used to be received, whereas today, it is 2 out of 10.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Charmaine Borg NDP Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

Thank you very much.

My second question concerns the open data initiative. It's really important that governments open up their data to be more transparent, so that Canadians can easily access that information. However, what we're seeing is a yearly increase of about 2.5%.

In your opinion, is that enough? Is that a good, steady increase of the amount of data we're putting online, or should we be doing better?

3:45 p.m.

Information Commissioner of Canada, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

Suzanne Legault

I really don't know whether we have a 2.5% increase in the amount of data that's published. I really don't have that statistic.

The government has done quite a lot since it actually decided to adopt the open government movement and the open government partnership. It's actually doing quite well in terms of its own action plan. There are numerous data sets that are being published. We have joined the international aid transparency initiative. There are statistics from Statistics Canada that are published on the website for free. Some of them used to have user fees.

Overall, the government is doing really well in the open government, and it's continuing to progress. The posting of summaries of complete requests is also part of their action plan. It followed one of our recommendations several years ago, but it's something the government has acted upon. All in all, on the open government, we've made some great strides.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Charmaine Borg NDP Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

Very well, thank you.

My third question is this.

Obviously, we're in a digital age where information is more easily accessible. Could you elaborate on the pilot project you launched?

The U.S. is using a model whereby access to information requests can be made online. Do you think that is something we should be working towards? Is that a model Canada should adopt?

3:45 p.m.

Information Commissioner of Canada, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

Suzanne Legault

Yes.

One thing the government needs to do, and has actually begun to do, is improve how access to information is administered by using a more modern technology platform. The government launched the pilot project, not the Office of the Information Commissioner. One of the recommendations I have long been making is to examine other jurisdictions like Mexico that have what is known as a transparency portal.

It is possible to make requests online and to obtain answers online. It is also possible to make a complaint, do a search and access all the requests and all the results online. In short, there are certainly technology platforms available to improve the system, and keep in mind, that in the majority of cases, people still have to write a cheque for $5, mail a letter and so forth.

I have long been saying that the system needs modernizing, and the government is in the midst of doing that. I think that's a positive step.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Charmaine Borg NDP Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

Do you think the pilot project is working?

3:45 p.m.

Information Commissioner of Canada, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

Suzanne Legault

I can't comment on that because I haven't used it personally. I believe it was made available last week. We'll have to see how things develop.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Charmaine Borg NDP Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

Very well.

My fourth question pertains to the 8% budget reduction imposed on your office. How does that affect your mandate, as well your ability to manage your office and meet demand efficiently and effectively?

3:45 p.m.

Information Commissioner of Canada, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

Suzanne Legault

As I touched on in my opening statement, the most noticeable impact is that, when I have investigators I can assign cases to, we process complaints fairly efficiently. What's happening now is that, despite the considerable reduction in the inventory I inherited, we still have 1,800 cases in the inventory on top of all incoming cases. That means that our ability to reduce that inventory and to keep processing complaints effectively and efficiently is obviously hindered by the budget cuts. In fact, I said that last year.

No doubt, the topic will come up again in two weeks when I appear before the committee regarding the main estimates. But, yes, when you consider that our median turnaround time to process a complaint stands at 215 days, as compared with 86 days when I have someone to assign a case to, the difference is significant. That is important because, when it comes to access to information, clearly the office's ability to independently review government decisions is one of the keystones of a well-running access to information regime. So, in my view, yes, the budget cuts do adversely affect requesters' rights.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Charmaine Borg NDP Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

Do I still have some time, Mr. Chair?

3:50 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pierre-Luc Dusseault

Ten seconds.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Charmaine Borg NDP Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

I'll stop there.

Ms. Legault, thank you for your answers.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pierre-Luc Dusseault

I will now turn the floor over to Ms. Davidson.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Thank you very much.

And thanks, Commissioner, for coming back today. Hopefully we'll get through today and get our questions asked and our answers received.

I know you faced quite a challenge, when you became the acting commissioner and then the full-time commissioner, with the backlog. When you were appointed, you made the commitment to maximize the effectiveness and the timeliness of the investigative function to fully meet the current needs and expectations of Canadians.

Can you give us a little bit more detail about your progress on that, as well as on the timelines in terms of how you're dealing with the requests coming through your office? I know you've given us some of that, but do you have any more detail that you can share with us?

3:50 p.m.

Information Commissioner of Canada, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

Suzanne Legault

Essentially what I gave you are the key figures.

I can tell you what our targets are. In our report on plans and priorities, my targets for the OIC are quite ambitious. Basically, I want to have all of the more simple complaints, what we call the administrative complaints, dealt with within 90 days. About 85% is my performance measure. This year, in that respect, I am at 50% from the date that files were registered. From the date they were assigned, I stand at 70%. So I think we're making good progress on that.

In terms of the old files, we used to have, you remember—or maybe not, but I do—1,600 files dated prior to 2008. I have 30 left. I closed another one last week. I'm hopeful that these will be gone. Some of them were the CBC files, which had been on hold for quite a while because of the Federal Court of Appeal decision. But all of those really old files have been assigned.

My goal, ultimately, when I finish this mandate in four years, is to leave the next commissioner with a contemporary inventory of a manageable size, which would be about three months of cases. Whether that's feasible or not....

If you go to the bottom of page 5 of my handout, to table 7, you will see a summary of the caseload. In there you will see how many cases we've closed in the last four years.

In the last two years, the year we just finished and the year prior to that, we slowed down a little bit in terms of total number of cases. That's because we were dealing with national security files, CBC files, and Canada Revenue Agency files.

So these three groups...on the special delegation files, these are all the cases that deal with national security. We have about 300 of those cases in inventory. They are the most sensitive files, in that we have a special team, we have dedicated lawyers and we have portfolio people, who deal specifically with the institutions. We're making good progress. We've closed more of these files this year than in the last four years. We still have quite a way to go, but that project is working.

We meet with the Canada Revenue Agency regularly. They have very complex files, large-volume files, dealing with very complex international tax files. We have folks specifically assigned to these files, which tend to be more litigious.

In terms of the CBC files—I was looking at this earlier today, actually—we now have about 200 files left with the CBC. We started with almost 1,200 cases with the CBC and we're now at 214 cases. With those, we are now dealing with a specific new provision that was put in play with the Federal Accountability Act, and with the difficulty and complexity of interpreting that provision. However, I must say that it's going very well with the CBC in terms of dealing with the investigations.

I don't know if I answered your question, but these are essentially the three main groups we have.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Yes, you did answer my question. Thank you.

I notice in the information you've given us—I'm looking on page 6 at tables 8 and 9—that in the list of institutions, they are mainly, although not all, direct government-run ministries versus crown corporations.

Are the crown corporations' numbers captured under the ministry they're responsible to, or is there another chart that shows crown corporations in smaller amounts?

3:55 p.m.

Information Commissioner of Canada, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

Suzanne Legault

No, they would be reported individually; it's just that the amounts they have are quite small.

What you have in table 8 are the top 15 institutions that have generated complaints to my office this past fiscal year. The other table lists the institutions that have been the top 15 generators of complaints to my office in the last four years.

The reason I put that there is that, essentially, in terms of scrutinizing performance of institutions, this is the focus, or where the focus needs to be. Out of 250-some institutions, these are the institutions where you have the most issues in terms of access to information: the most requests, the most complaints. That's why these are there.

In terms of the crown corporations, they now have very few requests, year over year.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

When a complaint came in, I know there used to be issues with trying to get the information back and having dedicated people in the departments or in the ministries to deal with things. Has that issue been corrected?

3:55 p.m.

Information Commissioner of Canada, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

Suzanne Legault

Several years ago we issued an advisory notice indicating that we expected institutions to provide us with records within a period of 10 days. I must say, generally speaking, the institutions are very collaborative in that respect. That has generated a lot of efficiencies in our office in dealing with complaints, because we actually get the records in a timely manner.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Good.

Am I done?

3:55 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pierre-Luc Dusseault

Yes, your time is up.