For sure, but I do think it's important to be precise. I want to say to Mr. Chambers that, in the heat of the moment and the flurry of different specific measures of debt that we were discussing, I will be precise. The federal net debt, what we report in the budget on behalf of Canada, our own net debt calculation, does not include the CPP. However, when international comparisons are made of Canada's net debt-to-GDP, as compared to other countries, of course the CPP is quite rightly included.
That makes sense, because we're really lucky in Canada, due to wise decisions by previous governments, that our pensions are fully accounted for and paid for through the CPP. In other countries, payments of pensions going forward is a much greater ongoing fiscal problem.