If I could just add to that, those members hired by the federal government, who work in the professional areas, come in with master's and PhDs. If they had been hired by the federal government when they had bachelor's degrees and then went back for training and education, those years of service would have counted. Because they do it before entering, those years don't count. We think those people hired with master's and PhDs should be compensated. We have issues around their low starting salaries, issues that when they come in they'll have less vacation than someone with a high school diploma who's been there since the age of 18, but also with the pension. They should be credited in some way for the years they spent getting themselves ready to give service to the public.
On March 29th, 2007. See this statement in context.