Evidence of meeting #42 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was agency.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michael Wernick  Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Jim Quinn  Chief Financial Officer, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Timothy Gardiner  Director, Policy, Canadian Northern Economic Development Agency

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

LaVar Payne Conservative Medicine Hat, AB

Could you get back to the committee, please?

12:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

Yes. We can provide that.

Perhaps Mr. Tim Gardiner from the agency would like to bail me out on that one.

12:25 p.m.

Timothy Gardiner Director, Policy, Canadian Northern Economic Development Agency

In terms of project categories, we've done some support for tourism activities to try to prop up that sector, consistent with the intent of the program, which is really a response to the economic downturn. We've done some support for training activities as well, for those kinds of longer-term initiatives to help folks adjust to the downturn and take advantage of economic opportunities down the road. There have been a number of community beautification initiatives as well, to keep folks busy in the short run, but they're also broadly supportive of the tourism sector.

We can provide you with a comprehensive list if you like. I don't have it with me now, but I'd be happy to provide it to the committee.

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

LaVar Payne Conservative Medicine Hat, AB

I would appreciate that.

Thank you.

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Thank you, Mr. Payne.

We'll now go to Madam Crowder, who will be followed by Mr. Rickford, for five minutes.

Go ahead, Madam Crowder.

12:25 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Thanks, Mr. Chair.

I have another couple of education questions.

I understand that the audit division has completed an audit of the K-to-12 programs. Do you know when the committee will have access to that report?

12:25 p.m.

A voice

An audit or an evaluation?

12:25 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

I had it as an audit, but it could be an evaluation.

12:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

No, I don't know off the top of my head.

12:25 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Could you let us know on that?

12:30 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

I'll let you know right away.

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

We understand that it's been completed.

I think you're aware that the Parliamentary Budget Officer made some recommendations around school infrastructure. I know that one of the recommendations was around doing the kind of engineering assessment that has been proposed for waste-water treatment facilities, I believe. Is there any plan to do that kind of engineering assessment on school infrastructure for K to 12?

12:30 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

The assessment of the water and waste water is under way. It has been tendered and awarded. That work is starting. It'll take several years to complete.

On the school infrastructure, I think there was a bit of a difference in views about how much we knew about the state of the schools and the inventory. A lot of stuff had not been properly coded and entered into our information system. I can get back to you on the state of that.

We're not going to do one of those national assessments for every institution at this point. We've been very busy trying to do the CEAP projects and the gas tax projects and cope with the business that's under way right now. As you know, we work off the regional capital plans.

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

So there are no plans to do that kind of assessment, then.

12:30 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

You mentioned the environment. On page 185, I note that there's money around remediation of federal contaminated sites.

You mentioned the Auditor General's report as well and the specific recommendations around dealing with the residual environmental regulatory gaps on reserves and looking at high-risk and medium-risk sites on reserves that became contaminated prior to 1998.

Is that pot of money there to address those kinds of recommendations in the AG's report?

12:30 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

We do two kinds of contaminated sites work, one in the north and another on reserve lands. We've been working away at an inventory of sites, which is quite extensive, as you can imagine.

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

This is on reserve?

12:30 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

It's on reserve. I can provide you a bit of a progress report.

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

That would be great.

12:30 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

There's a triage of sorts of what's most urgent and so on. We do what we can with the resources that are available, but there is an overall plan for how quickly we can get to that. If we had more money, we'd do more, but there is a system for that.

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

It sounds as if there are some fairly serious regulatory gaps as well, though.

12:30 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

That's the issue about how there's some dispute about whether federal law or provincial law applies on reserve on some of these matters, because there are matters that weren't anticipated when the Indian Act was written over 100 years ago.

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Is there a process under way for resolution around this that will include first nations?

12:30 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

Yes. We're working very hard with the people who are expert in land and environmental management. My guess is that a permanent solution is going to require legislative change.