Thank you, Mr. Arnold.
That's correct. In fact, Mr. Naqvi, I was at a conference probably three or four years ago put on by BC ICE, the RCMP division that deals with this issue—I commend the police officers who deal with this. It's something that actually came up. One of the presenters was talking about it, and someone else said, “You know what? We're not going to talk about it. I'm not going to call it 'child pornography' today. I'm going to call it 'child sexual abuse material'.”
I was in Germany just last week, and this came up. They call it “child sexual abuse material”. In fact, they told me how inspired they were that we, as Canadians, will be changing this. This was with a group.... As I understood it, they were a governmental organization that dealt with victims of sexual assault. They were going to now petition their lawmakers to make a similar change.
I don't think anything can adequately address the horrific nature of abuse. Children who are subjected to this will often be subjected to a life imprisonment based on what we know to be PTSD, trauma, and things like that. I don't know that there is any term that can adequately encapsulate what victims go through. Often they go through this at such a young age that they can't remember, but they know in their residual memory that there has been trauma.
I wish we could have a word or a term that was all-encompassing. To me, “child sexual abuse material” is appropriate because children are being abused.
In the definition under section 163.1 of the Criminal Code, it's not only the material itself. It's anything that advocates for the abuse of children. That's why we came to that conclusion. I understand that there may be some amendments, and we're certainly open to that.
Thank you.