Thank you.
We're talking about culture and we're talking about cover-ups. One witness on the study already said there's a culture of overclassification at National Defence so they don't have to release anything. They can hide it using “secret” and “top secret”. We've already mentioned the use of code names, like when Vice-Admiral Norman was referred to as the “Kraken”, although some may say that is the common code name used for the commander of the Royal Canadian Navy. Then on top of that, as you've experienced, Mr. White and Mr. Walbourne, they rag the puck when it comes to slowly trickling out information under ATIPs and even requests for papers coming from committee. They take their sweet time about it.
What can we do to change that culture and provide checks and balances to ensure there is accountability in the leadership on both the Canadian Armed Forces side and the department side and to ensure that access to information is released in a timely manner? How do we fix this? You guys have both been on the inside.