—are reluctant to make that move. So, it's about the training of young people and reducing that apprenticeship age. I think companies have to take a much more active part in training and in apprenticeships, so we need to think about how they can do that here.
To me, a part of that—I hear from all over the place, especially from small companies—is that they're unwilling to take the risk of investing in new apprentices or training young people because they're sure that someone else is going to come and poach them. To me that's one of the benefits of the jobs grant, that it can help to alleviate some of the upfront risk of doing some training and incorporating new hires into the company. But that is clearly an issue, not just for the oil sands and for energy development. It's something that is facing the entire country. We have as many challenges in manufacturing in Quebec, Atlantic Canada, and Ontario as we do in trying to find skilled people in the west.