Just as I said earlier, it depends on the energy source you're talking about. As an example, some economies in Europe are using a lot of renewables, but the baseline energy, the baseload, could very well be coal power or nuclear energy being fed in from France. So, there are a million different ways in which you can provide energy. That's the first point.
The second one is that the commercial relationships, the ties, and the architecture are there to facilitate this. The infrastructure is probably not in place, but the architecture, the investment rules, and the abilities to move skilled people back and forth and to protect intellectual property—all of those kinds of things stimulate business between the two sides.
However, the energy security piece is still unclear to me. I really don't know where it's going to happen. It seems as though it's going to be very challenging to help Ukraine directly with its energy security, especially considering that the economic climate seems to be going in the opposite direction right now. But let's say there's a possibility there. Certainly Canadians are well placed to do it, but it's just a question of what kind of environment is in place.
The other piece, in terms of feeding into western Europe, is that it's a question of their outlook on our energy, for one thing.
The other thing is that I was part of the business group that was over in Europe with the Prime Minister. For instance, when talking with the Germans about their relationship with Russia as an energy supplier, I didn't get the sense that they're overly concerned about it. They have a stable long-term relationship. I think the real issue they have is that because western Europe is so reliant, to a degree, on Russian resources, they're limited in how they can respond to other geopolitical issues. So, that's their conundrum.
But if you're looking directly at the energy security piece, I don't see alarm bells there. There's no concern that Russia is not going to live up to its terms. So this energy security piece is really more an issue of concern for eastern Europe and Ukraine—