Again, I do not promote grey hydrogen. We're talking about clean hydrogen. Clean hydrogen includes what is sometimes referred to as blue hydrogen. We think all those are very viable. There should be competition. We're going to need all of them.
In fact, using the resources, as was mentioned by the gas industry, to build out infrastructure such as pipelines.... To use an example, a pipeline running from Alberta to the coast to supply and to export clean hydrogen produced in Alberta will also enable, all the way along, first nations communities and other communities to take advantage of their clean power resources to produce additional green hydrogen along the way and use that infrastructure to get it to market. They can't do that—they can't have the scale to get it to market—otherwise.
Taking advantage of that low-carbon, clean, fossil fuel-derived hydrogen, which can be produced very cost-effectively today, will start enabling the build-out of infrastructure and demand. Without that, you will block the ability to produce green hydrogen because there will not be markets developing for it, and there will not be infrastructure to move it to market.
In fact, I have members who make their living selling equipment for green hydrogen production, and—