Definitely there have been. We talk about B.C. being a high-cost producer. That's real. It makes it very difficult for us to compete. We've had to shut our reman facility down over the last six months because of the softwood lumber agreement. We can't afford to put a 20% tax on a product worth $1,500 per thousand.... It blows it out of the water. People will switch to vinyl siding; they will not use wood siding.
In other parts of the country, with the ability of the Chinese to take on various products that we were making, at the rates they are able to pay their people and just with the cost of everything they're so much cheaper than we are.
We're actually battling even against the Europeans right now, because they've lowered the price.... They've had bugs and windstorms, and the fibre they're dealing with now, we're hearing, is in the $45 to $50 per cubic metre range. We're paying $100 to $120 a metre right now for timber, so we're at a major disadvantage.