The audit committee was created in January 2009, which was after the initial complaints, at least. Presumably, some of the events had already happened. The committee was made aware in 2009 of the complaints and the fact that the Auditor General was looking into them. However, the audit committee's first substantive discussion about what was going on inside the audit, the first time members heard about it, was in November 2009. There was a more substantive in camera discussion in January 2010.
First of all, I'd like to point out the role of departmental external audit committees. They are advisory to the deputy minister or deputy head. Knowing that the--