Pre-COVID...? I have to go back and check the dates specifically, but there's a record, I believe in the government operations committee, that I was initially approached while there was an opportunity to use a tool that Botler had developed, and then there was a subsequent Teams meeting, which Mr. Firth attended, at which I was actually pitched the approach. I think that was during the pandemic. It was not before the pandemic.
On May 16th, 2024. See this statement in context.