That's right.
Frankly, on the allegations in terms of Mr. Han and Mr. Chong in Ontario and all of that, I think that's an interesting question.
I would make it looking forward. I think it can be done. I would look at the Rouleau commission on the convoys as the third one that respected the secrecy.
I think now this issue has become so fraught and emotional in the public's mind that I don't think if you did it the way those three commissions were done it would satisfy the demand for publicness. That's my problem.
The only other thing is I remembered Dick Fadden, when he was the director of CSIS, doing an interview—remarkably—with Peter Mansbridge for about 35 minutes. I looked it up. If you google “Dick Fadden Peter Mansbridge”, you'll see it there. At the end of it, Mansbridge, the former anchor at CBC—