Government Operations committee  To be candid, I can't comment on why they would do that, but I can share with you that all of the conversations I had with Botler—specifically marketing discussions—were based on hypothetical scenarios. Those hypothetical scenarios were based on the fact that workplace harassment is quite a hot topic and the fact that the federal government hasn't landed on an approach yet—and neither has industry, quite candidly—with AI.

Government Operations committee  I was asked by Botler to draft a letter for Chrystia Freeland. That letter went from me to GC Strategies to the Botler executive, and they submitted the letter.

Government Operations committee  I was directed to do so by a Botler executive.

Government Operations committee  I was put in contact with Botler AI through GC Strategies.

Government Operations committee  GC Strategies introduced me to Botler based on my background in business processes for engineering. I guess they felt it might be a good fit.

Government Operations committee  No, I did not lie. There were open conversations around the use of GEDS, and that is what I used to identify people inside the DPMO.

Government Operations committee  Well, if they don't recall the conversation, then the interpretation would be that I fibbed.

Government Operations committee  We had marketing discussions based on hypothetical scenarios.

Government Operations committee  That's incorrect. Ms Dutt was part of those conversations and well understood that it was a marketing effort and that we had several hypothetical scenarios, given that the workplace harassment management and GC AI adoption strategies were still evolving.

Government Operations committee  It wasn't a lie upon a lie, sir. It was basically trying to get—

Government Operations committee  No, I did not.

Government Operations committee  No, I did not.

Government Operations committee  No, I have not.

Government Operations committee  I never communicated. I never got to communicate.

Government Operations committee  Absolutely, I can. That was the first task authorization that I mentioned, which was for the inventory of transformation projects. I was already on that contract.