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Environment committee  Yes, it's something we could look at. If I'm not mistaken, the government has stated that it will exempt the agricultural sector. I may be on thin ice here, but—

June 12th, 2019Committee meeting

Yves Giroux

Environment committee  It's something we certainly could look at.

June 12th, 2019Committee meeting

Yves Giroux

Environment committee  I'm not sure whether it was by design or by accident. To be able to answer that with a high level of certainty, we need to ask the people who designed the incentive payment. Looking at the numbers, I would say it's due to different consumption patterns. Poorer households have less money to spend, while richer households tend to have more people and spend more.

June 12th, 2019Committee meeting

Yves Giroux

June 12th, 2019Committee meeting

Yves Giroux

Environment committee  Yes, that's it exactly. Tomorrow's report will quantify the price that will have to be applied to carbon emissions between 2023 and 2030 in order for Canada to meet its targets under the Paris Agreement. How will a tonne of carbon have to be priced for emissions to be reduced sufficiently to meet the Paris targets?

June 12th, 2019Committee meeting

Yves Giroux

Environment committee  I probably misspoke.

June 12th, 2019Committee meeting

Yves Giroux

Environment committee  Let's just say that I misspoke. I do that a lot.

June 12th, 2019Committee meeting

Yves Giroux

Environment committee  We looked at elasticity, that is to say the impact of a price on the tendency of households and businesses to use or reduce the use of energy sources. Greenhouse gas emissions will decrease, but not drastically. They will decrease by 4% or 5%, I think—I don't remember the exact percentage—and this decrease will be largely due to the shift from electricity sources that emit greenhouse gases to more emission-neutral sources.

June 12th, 2019Committee meeting

Yves Giroux

June 12th, 2019Committee meeting

Yves Giroux

Environment committee  The amount is fixed for the current year, but the amount for subsequent years will depend on the total amount generated by the carbon tax. It will increase as the amount generated by the government increases.

June 12th, 2019Committee meeting

Yves Giroux

Environment committee  The amounts that will be paid in each province do not depend on income, but on the number of adults and children. The amount per adult and per child is fixed.

June 12th, 2019Committee meeting

Yves Giroux

Environment committee  That was not part of our report. We focused on the four provinces that are part of the federal backstop. Two territories, I think, are also part of the federal backstop, but we also didn't look at these two territories because there's a lack of sufficient data for them. Unfortunately, I cannot tell you whether you would be better off in B.C. as opposed to the four provinces that we looked at, because we didn't look at the other provinces.

June 12th, 2019Committee meeting

Yves Giroux

Environment committee  That's correct.

June 12th, 2019Committee meeting

Yves Giroux

Environment committee  It is true that there are many figures and calculations in those data. We first looked at household consumption by province and by income quintile. Those data are available from Statistics Canada, which regularly conducts surveys to determine household consumption patterns, in terms of energy, goods and services.

June 12th, 2019Committee meeting

Yves Giroux

Environment committee  Sure. Obviously we looked at the direct costs through higher fuel prices and higher prices on energy that households directly consume, such as the gas they put in their cars and the heat they need to generate in winter. God knows it's been long this year. We also looked at the higher prices for gas and for electricity generation in provinces where electricity is generated using fuel-based sources, such as Saskatchewan.

June 12th, 2019Committee meeting

Yves Giroux