Foreign Affairs committee  Thank you for your question, Ms. Laverdière. I will take the opportunity to add my comments to those of Professor Walsh and Professor Hanham regarding the purpose of sanctions. I will also talk about human resources and the mandates that you and others have talked about. First of all, the purpose of sanctions is quite simple.

Foreign Affairs committee  That is exactly the question. Whether we have a mandate and ... if we have an objective and a purpose, a mandate derives from the objective of a particular sanction. Public servants must understand what the objective of Parliament or the government is in enacting legislation or regulations.

Foreign Affairs committee  We kept nine.

Foreign Affairs committee  Exactly, and the disconnect between the political rationale for doing it and the assessment or evaluation of what is actually being done.

Foreign Affairs committee  I'm not sure which metaphor to use, high school spin-the-bottle or the more adult and a little sharper Russian roulette, but there's a bit of that. Let's start with delisting. It's impossible to talk about delisting without the flip side, which is how they got there in the first place.

Foreign Affairs committee  You said it like a native, Mr. Chairman. It's Macedonian, in case you are wondering. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman and members of the committee. Like Vince, I've been practising for the bulk of my 30 years as a lawyer, in the large national firm Bennett Jones for the past 10 years and another firm before that.

Foreign Affairs committee  We agreed that Vincent would start.