Information & Ethics committee  That would not be my area of expertise, for sure. Our thought is that when the information is no longer needed, it should be destroyed regardless of how old the person is. When the purpose for which you've collected that information is no longer valid, you should have no need to keep that information and it should be disposed of properly at that point.

Information & Ethics committee  A well-run facility has record-keeping practices and those records are being destroyed in conjunction with those policies, so it's only in situations where somebody isn't following the policies or doesn't have a policy that you get those breaches.

Information & Ethics committee  In our written submission we listed several of the various fines from various jurisdictions around North America, ranging from small fines all the way up to the $1.5-million range. Jurisdictions all across North America have created structures by which they impose fines for these things, based on severity.

Information & Ethics committee  I don't know the answer to that, but I could certainly find it for you.

Information & Ethics committee  No, I don't think you should forget about the right to be forgotten. I think that with information being collected and aggregated in ways that we don't understand, I think the ability to say to the people who are collecting that information that they need to get rid of it is important.

Information & Ethics committee  Good afternoon, and thank you for the opportunity to be here today. My name is Kristjan Backman. I chair the National Association for Information Destruction in Canada. This is a voluntary position. In my day job I run a small company called Phoenix Recycling. We're a Winnipeg-based company that does information destruction services.