Public Safety committee  I can answer that. It was not directed to the board. We are an independent administrative tribunal, so the minister actually doesn't have the ability to direct. This is basically pro forma. Unfortunately there is zero risk. These incidents have happened before, very rarely. The last time we did a joint board of investigation with the Correctional Service of Canada was back in maybe 2008 or 2009.

Public Safety committee  Thank you. What probably the timelines in the redacted report don't indicate is that many of those precursor emotional dysregulations happened well after the September hearing. At the time of the September hearing, none of those were an issue. They didn't come to light because they weren't evident at that time.

Public Safety committee  We are responsible for all of our decisions. We are accountable for all of our decisions. This board of investigation was independent. I have never met the two co-chairs other than to have read their CVs. They were assisted by people in CSC and at the board, because any inquiry or investigation—for example, the Daubney report, “Taking Responsibility”—has to have people to help these independent chairs find the information they want and to explain how things work.

Public Safety committee  They had all—

Public Safety committee  I don't know where—

Public Safety committee  They had all the information they needed.

Public Safety committee  I would call it a parole officer. That's why there is confusion with this whole.... Maybe the commissioner can come in and help me with this direct supervision model and who's doing what and who's who. The caseworker who came to the parole hearing with the offender was the person who was actively supervising that person.

Public Safety committee  Yes. The caseworker, the parole officer—

Public Safety committee  I think you might have to get.... The person who was with the offender at the hearing was the person who supervised the offender. That person—

Public Safety committee  Yes, and I would counter that with.... The board investigation did say that, in the hearing itself, it was very explicit that it wasn't in the written report but that it was covered through the additional conditions the Parole Board attached to his condition of release.

Public Safety committee  He wasn't a high risk to reoffend. I don't know where you're reading that.

Public Safety committee  It certainly wasn't made known to me at the time. I don't have a button on all of—

Public Safety committee  Exactly.

Public Safety committee  I won't speak for Ms. Kelly, but when we said that we had never seen anything like this in our careers, first, Ms. Kelly went across the country right after this to see if this had happened. In terms of our never seeing this happen, in our experiences we have never seen this as a community strategy to supervise offenders.

Public Safety committee  Thank you, Commissioner Kelly. I'm not sure about the rest of the question, but when it comes to the Parole Board, in this case the March decision was from an in-person hearing. There were two board members, the parole officer from the institution and the offender. For the September one, it was for day parole continued.