Citizenship and Immigration committee  It's terrible when people go to someone and they think they are going to a lawyer. Most of the time when people come to see me, they say they went to this lawyer and he misguided me. I ask the person's name. I look it up and they are an RCIC. They say that all the staff refer to him as a lawyer and he himself refers to himself as a lawyer.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  —albeit with more government control and more penalties does nothing more than protect them so they continue to practise law, now with more government bureaucracy paid for by taxpayers. What's worse, telling people that these consultants who are registered with the college are overseen by the government sends a wrong message.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Thanks for having me here. I should note that I am vice-chair of the Canadian Bar Association, and I'll be chair in August, but there just wasn't time for us to go through our vetting process, so I am making these remarks in my personal capacity, with thanks to some of my colleagues for their comments.