Justice committee  There's a time and place for Gladue. Gladue considerations do make sense. I support Gladue considerations for the offences that are lower in nature. But when we're talking about using firearms in the commission of an offence, the trafficking of drugs, the importation of drugs or the production of drugs that impact communities, those are crimes for which it makes no sense to apply Gladue, especially when the victims are indigenous as well.

Justice committee  Again, I don't speak for Six Nations. It's the largest community base of population, so there are varying opinions. My experience when I worked there, in dealing with indigenous people from Six Nations in Brantford, was much like I said. There is a time and place for Gladue, but if the people committing the crimes are indigenous and it's impacting our people, then the Gladue considerations are moot, because they're harming our own people.

Justice committee  Thank you for the question, Mr. Brock. As I mentioned in my opening remarks, victims of crime are already frustrated with bail reform. The perception of the victims is that the criminals' rights supersede those of citizens. With Bill C-5 and the proposed changes now, we are going to see sentencing become a joke, to be quite candid.

Justice committee  Good afternoon, members of the committee. Thank you for the opportunity to be here before you today. My name is Rob Davis and I am the chief of police for the Brantford Police Service. I'm proud to be a Mohawk from the Six Nations of Grand River Territory on which the city of Brantford sits.