Information & Ethics committee  I was not.

Information & Ethics committee  Sure. Thank you very much. Similarly to what Madeleine Redfern said, during the governance crisis, there was no clear path through. There was a very confused and heated meeting that we never received minutes from. The meeting was extremely long. It was a four-hour meeting. After that meeting, when we had asked the directors who were in a conflict of interest to recuse themselves and we thought we had a clear path through, there was a flood of emails, and those emails came from a group of people, a number of people who, at every turn, struck down the path forward.

Information & Ethics committee  We only became aware of the Chinese donation by virtue of the president bringing it to the attention of the directors. Those who had knowledge of this previously had not brought that to the attention of the directors, so the answer is that we weren't aware of it. We shouldn't have been aware of individual donations like that.

Information & Ethics committee  He wasn't involved. Mr. Trudeau was not involved in the questions at the director level, but there were motions asking directors to recuse themselves. He was not involved at that level of governance, but it is, in fact, incorrect.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, that's correct.

Information & Ethics committee  I was aware there was either a conflict of interest or a perception of a conflict of interest, and I spoke to the chair of the board about that. I suggested that anyone who had been involved as a director or in those committees in the years in question should be recusing themselves in order to allow for independence.

Information & Ethics committee  There was no recusal of individuals. There was a flurry and a constant engagement by people who were either in a conflict of interest or a perceived conflict of interest.

Information & Ethics committee  I was selected after she became the president.

Information & Ethics committee  No, I was not, at that time. Pardon me. I was a member by virtue of having been a scholar, but I was not a director until 2020.

Information & Ethics committee  That's correct.

Information & Ethics committee  That is correct.

Information & Ethics committee  Similarly, I think I was chosen, in part, because I was a scholar and there was no scholar representation at the director level. I believe I was chosen as a result of that. I don't know who put my name forward or whether Dr. Fournier was involved at all in supporting that. I was supported by the full board.

Information & Ethics committee  Thank you, everyone. I'm coming to you this morning from Treaty 6 territory. My name is Dr. Ginger Gibson. As my colleague just did, I want to give you some context of who I am. I was very fortunate to be a scholar in 2003. I was selected by the Trudeau Foundation as a scholar to complete my Ph.D. research.

Information & Ethics committee  Thank you. I did serve on those two panels and selected scholars from across Canada and elsewhere. The foundation is quite remarkable. The work of the foundation is amazing. I want to comment on the leadership of Dr. Fournier, who led the foundation as president and brought in a scientific cycle that was unique.