Industry committee  Certainly, CPPI does not have that information.

Industry committee  I just want to clarify that the legislation actually puts the onus on the retailer to conduct the mandatory inspections, and the legislation does provide for the delegation of responsibility onto an alternative service delivery type of model, where private sector inspectors are accredited by Measurement Canada to carry out these inspections.

Industry committee  Yes. Over the course of time and just with routine wear and tear, the accuracy of a device could deteriorate to the point that it could come outside of the tolerances and standards that currently exist as promulgated by Measurement Canada. The other point I want to add here is we've been talking about a two-year inspection cycle.

Industry committee  On the cost issue, the general view of members looking in terms of what they're doing now... Again, I don't have the specific details of individual business transactions and the specific costs of individual firms, but I think the general information that members have been able to provide us suggests that the cost is anywhere between $50 to $200 to inspect and calibrate a pump.

Industry committee  First, let me again reiterate that our members believe firmly that consumers should get what they pay for. They want their pumps to be accurate. They, as business people, would not want to risk jeopardizing the trust of their customers by that kind of action.

Industry committee  Like you, I'm not an expert on the actual calibration activity, so I'm afraid it's really difficult for me, not knowing the details of that calibration level, to offer an answer to that question.

Industry committee  Well, certainly I'm going to talk about the gas stations specifically. They accept that as the regulated standard now under current standards. It's not a discussion we've had in terms of whether they think that should be a higher level of tolerance or not, so I'm afraid that I really can't answer that question.

Industry committee  Thank you very much. Good morning, Mr. Chair and committee members. As the president of the Petroleum Products Institute of Canada, I certainly want to thank you for the opportunity to be here today and to share the views of the institute on Bill C-14. With me today is Monsieur Carol Montreuil. vice-president of the institute's eastern Canada division.

Environment committee  For our sector, the situation would be the same. This is a sector that's already under tremendous stress in a North American context. I would emphasize that in terms of refined petroleum products, there is no unique Canadian market. It is a continental market, with a free flow of fuel products across our border and for products into and out of North America.

Environment committee  Certainly, as I mentioned in my remarks, as refiners we ultimately have no control over the demand for our product, but one of the ways you can alter that demand and ultimately alter the emissions is to improve vehicle efficiency. Certainly, that's one of the steps we see as part of an overall approach to the transportation sector, steps to improve vehicle efficiency, again, though, in line with what's being done in the broader context of what is a highly integrated North American market.

Environment committee  I'm not an expert, obviously, in those sorts of things, but certainly our view, and the view of a number of provinces we're trying to work with who are looking at fuel issues, is that you can't look at fuel exclusively, that transportation emissions, ultimately, are based on—we use the description of a three-legged stool.

Environment committee  I would echo Mr. Lloyd's comments in terms of the kinds of things that are out there within the tax system that facilitate investment. But to go back to some of my earlier remarks, Mr. Trudeau, we're not looking necessarily for that kind of support. We're looking for some flexibility in how we can move this, recognizing that there are trade-offs.

Environment committee  Yes.

Environment committee  It was 12%.

Environment committee  I would say that, but I would want to qualify that this achievement, certainly in our sector, was met with a tremendous effort to do that. I wouldn't want to minimize the effort or the cost it took to get to that 12%.