Information & Ethics committee  I wasn't an active member or a board member.

Information & Ethics committee  That's correct.

Information & Ethics committee  According to procedure, the assembly of members chooses the foundation's board members. The assembly includes around twenty people who are independent from the board of directors. Some people can be part of both groups. It's a bicameral structure, much like universities. In other words, there are two groups, one of which is responsible for appointing or removing members of the board of directors.

Information & Ethics committee  I can't say because I didn't see that. I was contacted by the chair of the board of directors at the time, Patrick Pichette. I can't say what happened in my case. My colleagues would know.

Information & Ethics committee  I believe some members came in after me. Personally, I was appointed in 2020. Names are submitted to the board of directors and, as I said, the assembly of members makes the recommendation.

Information & Ethics committee  This was never addressed at any meetings.

Information & Ethics committee  Recordings? I'm not sure if that meeting was recorded, I must say.

Information & Ethics committee  Not for that meeting, no.

Information & Ethics committee  I can only say what I was told, and talk about a couple of discussions I had with Ms. Lin, the CFO. I'm going to speak French, because it's a little easier and more natural for me. I know that Ms. Lin and Pascale Fournier were trying to recreate the sequence of events by looking at past records and going back to the conversations in emails about that donation.

Information & Ethics committee  I believe so.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes.

Information & Ethics committee  No.

Information & Ethics committee  You would have to ask them.

Information & Ethics committee  As I recall—I'm trying to go back in time—he did speak to the effect that he was directly involved in that particular donation and that he was aware of the implication of this association and also the donors. We had proof of that in the sense that there were photos of him with the particular donors.

Information & Ethics committee  First of all, I can speak for myself. I think that's the best. We were online, which makes it difficult to see the reactions, as you know. I remember that, first of all, I had questions as to why Mr. Trudeau signed that particular donation, because normally—according to the policy—it would have been the CFO who should have done that.