Industry committee  No. They do. I was sometimes criticized for...not criticized. There were comments, and people saying, “Annette, you don't have to declare that,” but I did anyway. These were people I know who were related to a project, etc. That was done before. Letters would go out to the board.

Industry committee  That's correct. The people who declared the conflict.... The project would be at the board level. The vice-president of investments would be making a recommendation. Those people would leave. We would all leave that meeting when that discussion happened and that decision was made.

Industry committee  In the case of—

Industry committee  A fact-finding exercise was executed by the minister because of accusations made by former employees. This is where we are and why we're here, I suppose. I personally don't understand.... Both the Osler study and the Raymond Chabot study said there was no wrongdoing and no misconduct.

Industry committee  I did not see that. We are a very professional group of people. We would physically come together only twice a year. We were doing video even before COVID. We would get together as well at a big conference that would happen every year in Ottawa. I didn't see that. Look, I'm a business person, and I've been in business for 44 years, so I know a lot of people.

Industry committee  No.

Industry committee  No.

Industry committee  I wasn't responsible for the day-to-day operations of SDTC. The management team was absolutely doing that. I had a good professional relationship with that management team. I did not see the concerns that I heard about from the former employees. We did things as a board. It was the responsibility of the HR committee to undertake performance reviews.

Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  The minutes reflect this. In the minutes it says that a certain director has a conflict. Those are declared. Those are declared in the meeting, and they're declared in the minutes. Perhaps the minutes did not provide enough information specifically about our recusing ourselves and leaving the room.

Industry committee  It's the board of directors.

Industry committee  We do. The board approves the meetings, yes.

Industry committee  The board minutes were not a fraud. There are areas of the board minutes that I think we can improve and that I believe the organization is improving. I think we always have to reflect and improve and increase our standards. Those meetings did reflect people recusing themselves from those projects.

Industry committee  I do sit on a number of boards. The board minutes that are represented by SDTC are in the norm and recognize the activity of the board of directors.