Government Operations committee  That's correct. While I sell to the federal government, I also have to sell to my clients and be—

Government Operations committee  No, that's not necessarily the truth. There's an—

Government Operations committee  They were completely independent.

Government Operations committee  I was representing them—they were my client—and working with them not just on the Botler pilot but also by continually trying to get them new meetings and into different departments.

Government Operations committee  There were six.

Government Operations committee  It's a partnership. We agreed, after many meetings and conversations, to go into a partnership whereby they identified me and wrote scripts for me as a partner representing them for business development for Government of Canada clients.

Government Operations committee  It was trust. I worked for two years for no fee or retainer—actually, for nothing. The fact that this was.... There are emails back and forth, where I'm having scripts created by Botler that they'd like me to use when I'm introducing myself and...how the partnership is set up. There was my logo on presentations where they were billed.

Government Operations committee  It was built a lot on trust. The reality is that it's hard to go into an agreement when, initially, you haven't set up a meeting. We just went off trust. We were partners, and it worked out from the perspective of understanding that they were represented. They got a pilot, and they got paid.

Government Operations committee  I can't speculate. I'm sorry. I wasn't part of that decision-making.

Government Operations committee  No, I didn't. That was with Dalian and Coradix.

Government Operations committee  No.

Government Operations committee  Do you mean the quality of Botler's work...?

Government Operations committee  We have two employees, but we outsource our finance and legal—

Government Operations committee  No, we do not.

Government Operations committee  Yes, it is.