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Citizenship and Immigration committee At my last count, when I left the board, in Toronto alone I think we were at about 34% vacancy. Because Toronto is 60%.
April 24th, 2007Committee meeting
Jean-Guy Fleury
Citizenship and Immigration committee When I left the board, yes.
April 24th, 2007Committee meeting
Jean-Guy Fleury
Citizenship and Immigration committee Yes, but you have to be careful to weigh the fact that the number of appeals has also increased. So there's the question of your vacancies, but it's that your workload referral is higher. Our appeals were increasing in the last three or—
April 24th, 2007Committee meeting
Jean-Guy Fleury
Citizenship and Immigration committee That's one part. But don't forget, we have another, third tribunal that is staffed, as decision-makers, by public servants. They have deadlines with respect to looking at whether people are going to be released or not. So what you describe is partly true in the terms you described, but in the tribunal where public servants do the decision-making and we're fully staffed, there are no delays.
April 24th, 2007Committee meeting
Jean-Guy Fleury
Citizenship and Immigration committee It's the government that decides on appointments. It goes to cabinet on the recommendation of the minister and the Prime Minister.
April 24th, 2007Committee meeting
Jean-Guy Fleury
Citizenship and Immigration committee Were there any roadblocks?
April 24th, 2007Committee meeting
Jean-Guy Fleury
Citizenship and Immigration committee Mr. Chair, can I—?
April 24th, 2007Committee meeting
Jean-Guy Fleury
Citizenship and Immigration committee Yes, you could. A test can be a screening device or one tool to evaluate candidates.
April 24th, 2007Committee meeting
Jean-Guy Fleury
Citizenship and Immigration committee Yes, but I do not want to mislead anyone here. Regardless of the fact that we did border cases on the marking of tests, at least one-third were completely screened out as a result of their test marks being so low.
April 24th, 2007Committee meeting
Jean-Guy Fleury
Citizenship and Immigration committee It was not a flaw. We were using our judgment on the total person in front of us. But as for whether you can use a passing mark, for sure, I think a lot of institutions do that.
April 24th, 2007Committee meeting
Jean-Guy Fleury
Citizenship and Immigration committee In the scientific field or in accounting, or whatever you need, where you can measure. But the difficulty with the tests with which we're evaluating judgment is that this is a very hard tool, and it's very difficult to develop a foolproof test with respect to judgment.
April 24th, 2007Committee meeting
Jean-Guy Fleury
Citizenship and Immigration committee It varies. I would like to say to you that if you take some of his statistics, it looks like that. But I chaired most of those, and I've seen series of interviews we conducted, in Toronto or anywhere else, where with the selection board we did not qualify 50%. So be careful with that statistic.
April 24th, 2007Committee meeting
Jean-Guy Fleury
Citizenship and Immigration committee I don't question his sample at all.
April 24th, 2007Committee meeting
Jean-Guy Fleury
Citizenship and Immigration committee My response is that if the government wants to do it that way, it's their prerogative, and I say they could do it, for sure.
April 24th, 2007Committee meeting
Jean-Guy Fleury
Citizenship and Immigration committee Yes. There are two things you have to consider. The government—and rightly so—wanted more candidates, more choices. At the rate we were going, if the test were to stop a lot of people, then the question was whether we ran another competition. You have to look at each case on its own merit.
April 24th, 2007Committee meeting
Jean-Guy Fleury