Information & Ethics committee  Thank you very much. I don't know that it will take 10 minutes, but I have put a few comments together. Thank you for your invitation to appear before the committee. I have great respect for the institution of Parliament in its various aspects, so I have accepted your invitation.

Information & Ethics committee  I would say it was cruel and unusual punishment.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, that is true.

Information & Ethics committee  No.

Information & Ethics committee  He has to actually take part in making the decision, if that's what you're talking about, to be found to have contravened the decision-making. The distinction in the two circumstances was that in one case, he took part in a discussion and had the capacity to have an effect on it.

Information & Ethics committee  There were five or six, and I've stated them on a number of occasions. You'd think I could remember them right now. If I had the list in front of me, I would have....

Information & Ethics committee  There are five or six of them that I identified not too long ago.

Information & Ethics committee  I've established a notional de minimis of about $35. I've done that somewhere.

Information & Ethics committee  I think there was a criminality aspect to that one that coloured it. It was a different situation.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes. In fact, I phoned the Speaker or somebody, I think, and said, “There's criminality in this one. Just get rid of it.”

Information & Ethics committee  I did, yes.

Information & Ethics committee  I think I have the date in the report. Maybe it's in the process section. I don't know. I'm sure it was somewhere in the middle of October. We can find that for you easily enough.

Information & Ethics committee  No, no. It's probably described in the process section. Right up at the front somewhere, I think that date was mentioned.

Information & Ethics committee  Anyway, it was mid-October.

Information & Ethics committee  That's the role of talking to your advisers and bringing the matters forward. The other thing is that we've always offered a session to every caucus every year. Anyway, I don't know what else I can say.