Public Accounts committee  It is admittedly a little bit difficult to confirm in terms of the cloud computing utility amount. It is easier for us to confirm the amount we were contracted for advisory services. That amount was $4.6 million in terms of the advisory services provided.

Public Accounts committee  The estimate from the Auditor General is in the range of being correct. The reason it is difficult for us to determine exactly is that the app continues to run today on the cloud in addition to 40 other workloads that CBSA runs on AWS. We have assigned account numbers for a number of different workloads—

Public Accounts committee  CBSA could provide that detail. It has a number of accounts, and we don't know what the workload is assigned to. We can't see, for example, which.... Due to our security and confidentiality, we actually don't have visibility into what our customers are exactly doing in those workloads.

Public Accounts committee  Nick, who was your contact?

Public Accounts committee  I was not at that meeting, so I can't confirm the details of what was discussed. I would need to verify who was at that meeting.

Public Accounts committee  Sure.

Public Accounts committee  It's not possible in the case of GC Strategies. We have no relationship with them. We have very clear visibility on the work we did with Dalian on CBSA. With the contract I referenced earlier, most of that had nothing to do with ArriveCAN. Exactly $98,000 did have to do with the very initial work on ArriveCAN, which was prepandemic work.

Public Accounts committee  Some additional context around our engagement with Dalian is that this was before the cloud framework agreement existed. Prior to that time, the Government of Canada really did not have an ability to procure cloud services. It is quite different from traditional IT procurement, which involves, quite often, the procurement of an actual tangible asset or hardware.

Public Accounts committee  To my knowledge, I was not.

Public Accounts committee  To be clear, Dalian was our customer. We did understand that the work was for the benefit of CBSA but it was not a subcontract.

Public Accounts committee  The total value of the work that we undertook with Dalian, I believe, was $1.1 million.

Public Accounts committee  For all of the work we did with Dalian.

Public Accounts committee  We never worked with GC Strategies.

Public Accounts committee  Of the ones that you've listed?

Public Accounts committee  On ArriveCAN, no we did not work with any of the other vendors on ArriveCAN.