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Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  I would only point you to recent history in terms of this country. In the 1960s you had the same jurisdictional issues over status Indians living off reserve having access to health care programs. Somehow you've solved that issue by ensuring that off-reserve aboriginal people should have access to some program.

June 14th, 2006Committee meeting

Peter Dinsdale

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  At the national level, we see Human Resources and Skills Development Canada. At the local level, a lot of it is Health Canada that is providing head start programs, aboriginal health programs, and diabetes programs. They are very much on-the-ground, focused kinds of initiatives.

June 14th, 2006Committee meeting

Peter Dinsdale

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  It varies. There are a number of one-off programs and they're as stable as any federal government program. Every five years we have another review to determine the cost-effectiveness and where it needs to be delivered. I think that's the nature of service delivery work, but aboriginal service delivery work is more complex.

June 14th, 2006Committee meeting

Peter Dinsdale

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  We told everyone $20 million a year more. In all honesty, we want people in urban communities to have access to cost-effective and efficient programs. We think friendship centres are that model. There is a need for more friendship centres across the country. There is a need for increased ability for the operational centres.

June 14th, 2006Committee meeting

Peter Dinsdale

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  With respect to an urban aboriginal education plan, we've been focused on making sure our programs are able to keep their doors open, quite frankly, sir. We had this invite yesterday at around noon, so we've had a brief amount of time to pull together what we're doing on education.

June 14th, 2006Committee meeting

Peter Dinsdale

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  I can't speak to that example, because unfortunately, that's not our friendship centre. That's the main service delivery centre of the Aboriginal Council of Winnipeg. We have a friendship centre, the Indian and Métis Friendship Centre of Winnipeg, but it's not at the site you're talking about.

June 14th, 2006Committee meeting

Peter Dinsdale

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  With respect to Kelowna, obviously we were dissatisfied with the process in terms of how we would impact education; we had some thoughts on how maybe we should approach it. I should probably leave this for the groups who were intimate in the development of it to talk about the impacts of it not getting funded.

June 14th, 2006Committee meeting

Peter Dinsdale

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  I certainly can't quote any longitudinal studies that have measured the impact of those students who've attended versus those who haven't. We're attempting to do some research with school boards to look at urban churn--that is, kids living in poverty, leaving one house because dad didn't get the job, going to live with uncle, changing schools, and not having school records follow because the family has already moved again.

June 14th, 2006Committee meeting

Peter Dinsdale

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  Well, we know there's a definite access issue across the country. There are simply not enough aboriginal head start sites across the country to deal with the growing demands. Those that do have programs have them overrun with children. We've been certainly active in approaching government to expand those sites to much-needed areas across the country.

June 14th, 2006Committee meeting

Peter Dinsdale

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  The alternative schools where I was active most directly were in Ontario's jurisdiction, so they were able to if they met all the criteria. They were mostly on student welfare, quite honestly, while they were in our community agencies, accessing the program, so there were no scholarships per se for them to go back to school.

June 14th, 2006Committee meeting

Peter Dinsdale

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  I have not had issues with accountability with my first nation providing services for me. However, I think the issue is one of both access and equity--access across the country and equity as to your legal status. If Bill C-31 defines me as an Indian, I have access; if the government decides I'm not an Indian, I don't have access.

June 14th, 2006Committee meeting

Peter Dinsdale

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  If I were the minister of aboriginal education, I would do both. I would make sure we had appropriate feeder systems in the post-secondary programs where kids and communities could prepare themselves and be qualified for school. That would be number one, to deal with this growing issue in communities.

June 14th, 2006Committee meeting

Peter Dinsdale

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  It has a tremendous impact on education outcomes. My first job out of university was working in downtown Toronto in a place called Native Child and Family Services. The organization worked with street kids in that community, who were coming into our drop-in, to develop an alternative school in partnership with the Toronto District School Board.

June 14th, 2006Committee meeting

Peter Dinsdale

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  Absolutely, and not only in terms of fundraising.... Look, we're paying our executive directors, if we did the full-time equivalent, $28,000 a year. If we were paying them like your program management within the public service department, your PM levels, the PM-07 making $90,000 a year, we would not only have higher qualified staff who are able to go out and get better programs, we'd have greater levels of accountability and we'd hire a much better worker.

June 14th, 2006Committee meeting

Peter Dinsdale

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  Well, without being an alarmist, you would have young mothers who wouldn't get formula for their children, and they'd be living in poverty. You would have people who come to food banks not having access to that food. You'd have people in drug and alcohol counselling no longer having access to those counsellors.

June 14th, 2006Committee meeting

Peter Dinsdale