Industry committee  It's very minimal. Finally, to be clear on the burden, one out of five Canadians fills it out and it's every five years. You fill it out for your household, and there are 2.5 people in your household. When you do the math, that means the average Canadian would expect to have to fill out a long form once every 67.5 years, and it takes 30 minutes.

Industry committee  Thank you, Mr. Lake, for your questions. First of all, your opening comment is that we all like information. Actually, I think you should amend that. We all like valid and reliable information. The issue at point here is whether the information that will come from a voluntary replacement for the long-form census will be valid and reliable.

Industry committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm James Turk, the executive director. With me is Michael Ornstein, one of the senior folks in our research advisory committee and director of the Institute for Social Research at York University. We represent 65,000 academic staff at 122 universities and colleges across Canada.

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  Well, there are safeguards—

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  We certainly don't expect that there would be. If there were to be, then we would be back.

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  It's almost hard to enumerate all the things we've done over the last five years. It started with a meeting I had in early April 2005, a public meeting for the board, the faculty, and the students of the university in the atrium of First Nations University, where we articulated our concerns.

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  That...?

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  We're completely satisfied that the Federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations, the First Nations University, and the University of Regina have addressed our concerns fully.

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  No. There are safeguards in the collective agreement that the faculty have with the university. There was a governance structure that didn't respect some of those undertakings. We have academic freedom issues going on with about 30 universities across the country currently, so I can't say that it will never happen.

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  No, we're not.

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  No.

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  No, not normally.

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  Yes.

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  May I comment on that?

Indigenous and Northern Affairs committee  Okay. They are intertwined. That is, when the governance structure allows those on the board, or the chair of the board, to interfere directly to seize computer files of faculty and so on, it threatens their academic freedom. So they're not “disentangleable”, if I can use that word.