Information & Ethics committee  No. I'm recommending that they get rid of that distinction.

Information & Ethics committee  Well, they're contraventions, yes.

Information & Ethics committee  Even if the distinction is gotten rid of, if you own 100% of your assets in one entity and you put it in a blind trust, what do you suppose is in your blind trust? You know.

Information & Ethics committee  Then we look for other measures. There's—

Information & Ethics committee  You need additional measures. The act has the powers in sections 29 and 30 to establish those, and that's what our office has done.

Information & Ethics committee  Some of them are tiddly little things, but some of them are really important.

Information & Ethics committee  But you know, they're not bad. The fact of the matter is that compared to the rest of the world, we're pretty good. Also, the other thing is that people are pretty good generally. This stuff can get blown out of proportion. Generally, people want to do the right thing.

Information & Ethics committee  We need the rules. We need the rules, of course.

Information & Ethics committee  No.

Information & Ethics committee  Actually, we need them for everybody so that they know what the rules are.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, and some people will say, “Look, I know I'm good, so I don't need to worry about these rules.”

Information & Ethics committee  That's right.

Information & Ethics committee  When I showed the facts.... Sorry; what do you mean by “findings”?

Information & Ethics committee  I don't know what that term means.

Information & Ethics committee  There are the facts, and there's the analysis, and there's the conclusion.