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Procedure and House Affairs committee  Thank you for the question. I'll respond if that's okay. We constantly work with our partners in law enforcement, as the director mentioned, and with the commissioner of Canada elections. We share that information and have those discussions. They are really the ultimate authority to know what could be of use to them.

March 2nd, 2023Committee meeting

Michelle Tessier

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Obviously I can't go into specifics about some of our investigations, but we know that this is of concern and that it is a possibility. We put it in our public report to bring awareness to this potential threat and to how some hostile state actors are seeking to use funding. I can't go into the details of what we have done operationally, but I can say that it was of significant enough concern for us to put it in our public report to raise awareness.

November 1st, 2022Committee meeting

Michelle Tessier

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Certainly we would look at all the tools at our investigative disposal in terms of knowing, if we come across this type of activity, how we would address it, working with other stakeholders, creating awareness and raising it, perhaps, directly with an individual who may be unwitting to this type of information or this source of funding.

November 1st, 2022Committee meeting

Michelle Tessier

Procedure and House Affairs committee  You answered it well, Alia. It is certainly a key topic during SITE discussions, that type of activity we see during an electoral period, and as Alia pointed out, who is best placed to address it to the best of our ability.

November 1st, 2022Committee meeting

Michelle Tessier

Procedure and House Affairs committee  You are absolutely correct. That is very much one of the vectors used to, as an example, try to find a divisive issue in society and amplify it one way or the other. I'm pleased to say that the increased awareness and discussion about foreign interference highlights how society is becoming much more attuned to the threat it represents.

November 1st, 2022Committee meeting

Michelle Tessier

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Again, focusing on our mandate, if I look back to the threats to the security of Canada, what we saw, certainly during COVID, was interest by hostile state actors to try to spread disinformation. We saw that from hostile state actors. We also saw attempts to conduct espionage against some of the vaccine work that was being done, so we undertook—

November 1st, 2022Committee meeting

Michelle Tessier

Procedure and House Affairs committee  In our public report, we describe a number of techniques used by states that are hostile to Canadian interests. They include what we call cultivation. That is when individuals cultivate relationships by offering gifts, paid travel or that kind of thing. Our report also talks about cyber security.

November 1st, 2022Committee meeting

Michelle Tessier

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It's fair to say that it would use a number of techniques, including threats to communities here, including using proxy agents so that you don't necessarily know it's the Government of China behind it, and including attempts to use community resources. It's fair to say that there are a number of techniques it would use to promote its own national interests against Canada's.

November 1st, 2022Committee meeting

Michelle Tessier

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I hesitate to give a frequency. Again, I would say we are increasingly concerned. We have seen, as was mentioned earlier, the laws the Chinese Communist Party has passed, making it obligatory for everybody in China, including the private sector, to work on behalf of the government.

November 1st, 2022Committee meeting

Michelle Tessier

Procedure and House Affairs committee  We are concerned about the use of media by many of the hostile state actors, including China. We know there are attempts. We've talked about disinformation and misinformation attempts using all types of media. The media are very much a victim or a tool that is used for foreign interference.

November 1st, 2022Committee meeting

Michelle Tessier

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I'm sorry. I didn't hear the question.

November 1st, 2022Committee meeting

Michelle Tessier

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I would say all available vectors in media would be able to be exploited by hostile state actors, so all types of media are certainly vulnerable to exploitation.

November 1st, 2022Committee meeting

Michelle Tessier

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I want to highlight what we said earlier, that we respect.... Obviously, we are in a democracy. We respect the media, and we do not want to be seen as interfering in the media. I want to underline that. That is certainly not an activity the service would undertake. Without being able to get into great detail, we would look from an investigative perspective to try to determine what the nature of the threat was.

November 1st, 2022Committee meeting

Michelle Tessier

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Perhaps I can start, and Alia can answer after that. A lot of it is awareness and communicating to Canadians, to various communities, that, if there's any concern, if they see any information that they feel is questionable, and certainly if they feel threatened, our RCMP colleagues and other law enforcement partners are certainly available to address any potential threats.

November 1st, 2022Committee meeting

Michelle Tessier

Procedure and House Affairs committee  As I mentioned, I can't get into—as I'm sure you can appreciate—operational details of our investigations. What I will say is that we know that the Chinese Communist Party is involved and interested in promoting its own national interests. It is an actor in foreign interference.

November 1st, 2022Committee meeting

Michelle Tessier