Justice committee  In fact, I think there are a number of stakeholders who are looking into this question. I believe The Advocates' Society in particular has taken quite a deep dive with a number of experts and has given it some considered attention. Obviously, it really does require some thought, and it really depends on the circumstances.

Justice committee  You are right. That is sort of along the same lines as what Mr. MacDonald was saying, that the pandemic has had varying impacts. The impact has obviously been much more intense for trial courts, for the obvious reasons you have mentioned, including witness attendance. When it comes to appeal courts across the country, they have had to adapt to the new platforms, which has required some dexterity.

Justice committee  It is not for me to say. All I can say is that some dexterity has been necessary. I can only speak for the Supreme Court, where I am currently. We are now redefining the format for the fourth time. We had an entirely virtual format, considering the circumstances. After that, some lawyers would be in the hearing room and others—for example, for stakeholders—were attending virtually.

Justice committee  I would add in response to the question that initially this action committee was struck in response to the challenges posed by the pandemic. From the outset, we endeavoured to identify the particular pain points. Thus, for instance, criminal jury trials were by far the most pressing issue.

Justice committee  Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, everyone. Mr. MacDonald and I are pleased to be speaking to the honourable members of your committee about the Action Committee on Court Operations in Response to COVID-19. As an executive legal officer at the Supreme Court of Canada, I am an ex-officio member of the action committee.