Canadian Heritage committee  Hundreds of thousands.

Canadian Heritage committee  Thank you. We do have many lines of business at the CBC that are very successful. I'll highlight a few. Gem for sure is a powerful streaming service for us. What makes it distinctive is that not just the entertainment side of CBC is streaming on Gem, but all of our news is also streaming on Gem.

Canadian Heritage committee  Thank you. We've had some really interesting and, I think, very important success digitally with all of our CBC, both news and entertainment, programming. What Catherine is referring to specifically with regard to The National is that I think a lot of people may note that the actual TV viewing of The National every night at 10 on the CBC main channel has been down.

Canadian Heritage committee  You're right. On the English side, Global and CTV are there. There are others there. I think we've been able to have a longer and more dedicated presence in the Middle East, as well as in Ukraine, and we have formed bureaus in other parts of the world. Other English news organizations haven't been able to be there in as permanent or as widespread a way as we have.