Public Accounts committee  Just to comment on the growth versus inspections, first of all, growth in industry does not necessarily directly result in more inspections. For example, there's an audit cycle for Air Canada. If Air Canada grew by 20%, we would still only do the audit in accordance with the cycle.

Public Accounts committee  We will, whenever it's available. It's not something that's...it's just done on a fiscal year basis. But yes, it's possible.

Public Accounts committee  We'll provide you with available numbers, for sure, within the next two weeks.

Public Accounts committee  Specifically, it will be the fall of 2009 when we'll have a comprehensive document; that's our forecast right now. What I'm saying is that by the fall, I could come back here and say, here are the types of things that we've already identified more concretely, now that we have a PAA to work under.

Public Accounts committee  If you're in a compliance-based system, a checklist is basically all you need. “Is the tire pressure right?”, the deputy minister has asked many times. But what happens if you want to understand why you found or why it appeared that all of the tires had low pressure? That goes beyond that.

Public Accounts committee  No, we're going to need different competencies.

Public Accounts committee  There are 871.

Public Accounts committee  The latest data I have that's relatively fresh is that there are 134 vacancies right now.

Public Accounts committee  I would also point out that all vacancies aren't created equal, so in the high-risk area where you're dealing with airlines and large severity implications if you have a problem, our numbers there are more like 6%.

Public Accounts committee  Isn't it 871 minus 134, which is 700-and-something?

Public Accounts committee  Okay, just to make sure the committee understands what my response to Monsieur Bélanger was, because of the advancement of the PAA, we're ready to do an awful lot more a lot sooner. I don't expect the full implementation of the plan will see much light of day before the fall of 2009, but by this fall of 2008, we should have a pretty good idea of some of the details, which are being fleshed out even as we speak.

Public Accounts committee  If I were to put some interpretation on what the audit report says, it would say there is no centralized repository and quality assurance on the training, categorically. The responsibility rests with the accountable managers in the regions. As I mentioned before, the policy is quite clear.

Public Accounts committee  It is an executive for what, exactly?

Public Accounts committee  The accountable executive has to do with the industry. Inside, what we do find right now, is one-to-one accountability. The deputy is also the accountable executive for our operations.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, we've been working especially with our Australian confreres for many years and with our New Zealand confreres as well. What we learned from the Australians early on, and it applies more generally to almost any regulatory framework, is that if you choose to take the voluntary approach, which the Australians did, in the hopes that you're going to get full compliance, then what you probably get, and that was their experience, is a situation in which the 80% of the industry that thought this was a good idea and could benefit from it put it in place.