Environment Committee on June 6th, 2024

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

So we don't have UC to invite three more companies.

[Monique Pauzé, Bloc, Repentigny, QC]

Actually I'm mainly considering the time aspect.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

I understand.

[Monique Pauzé, Bloc, Repentigny, QC]

I'm can't wait for us to wind up all work on this issue.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

Then you don't agree that we should invite other witnesses because that would take up time.

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

Just a second.

Go ahead, Ms. Collins.

[Laurel Collins, NDP, Victoria, BC]

I was just going to say that it seems like this motion doesn't pick a date, so as long as we can do it after Madame Pauzé's study is over....

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

It seems odd given that our other colleagues and proponents here are so urgent about this issue and wanted these urgent answers. We're just trying to help to remedy and contribute to the motion.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

I understand, but I don't want to spend too much time on this.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

It doesn't really make sense to talk about Pathways and not have all the companies represented. How about the companies that are a part—

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

We don't seem to have UC.

[Shannon Stubbs, Conservative, Lakeland, AB]

I think if it's very urgent for all of them to get the answers....

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

We don't seem to have UC.

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

Mr. Chair, on a point of order, earlier in the meeting we were discussing whether or not we had an extra two and a half or five minutes for Mr. Morrice, and it was like, “Oh, maybe we don't have enough time.”

Now we're discussing this. This is a really good thing to discuss. It's very important, but I think time and place.... These are five very busy CEOs.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

Can we come back to this? Can we just finish this round and then come back to it?

We have some housekeeping matters to do. Can we do that?

You haven't moved your motion. You haven't even moved your motion.

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB]

I thought it was just timely because we were having the Pathways conversation.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

I understand, but we want to finish this round of questioning so that we can let the witnesses go.

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB]

I'm just asking for a possible future meeting.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

Anyway, I think we're going to move—

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB]

Can I just move it and be done with it? I think we're in agreement—

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

I don't think we're in agreement. That's the thing.

We've spent a lot of time on this. We're going to go to the last five minutes of this round. Then we'll let the witnesses go and we can revisit this idea.

Go ahead, Ms. Chatel. I believe you want to share your time with Ms. Taylor Roy, if I'm not mistaken.

[Sophie Chatel, Liberal, Pontiac, QC]

Yes, I'm going to share my time with her, Mr. Chair.

I'd like to ask Ms. Pierce a question.

I know that Shell has done a complete 180 on its climate commitments. It has been reported that Shell sold $200 million worth of phantom carbon credits and then abandoned its climate goal for 2035. It also recently announced that it was selling part of its renewable energy portfolio in order to focus on fossil fuels.

Consequently, what proof can you offer the committee and Canadians to show that you're really committed to the fight against climate change and that you're prepared to invest with us, the federal and provincial governments, to invest taxpayer money in order really to decarbonize your company and industry?

[Susannah Pierce]

Thank you for the question.

We have a very clear energy transition strategy and very clear targets, which I mentioned before. Specifically, when you think about scope 1 and scope 2—the emissions when we produce energy or the emissions caused by procuring things like power—we've made a commitment to reduce that by 50% by 2030. We're 60% of the way there.

Uniquely, also, we have a scope 3 target. Scope 3 is the customer's emissions. If you buy petroleum from our station, you emit those. We have a commitment to reduce the carbon intensity of scope 3, again, by 15% to 20% by 2030. We also have a commitment to reduce 15% to 20% absolute by 2030.

[Sophie Chatel, Liberal, Pontiac, QC]

Thank you very much, Ms. Pierce.

Actions speak louder than words. It's sad to say, but we look forward to more action.

I'll cede my time to Ms. Taylor Roy.