I was commissioner during 9/11, and obviously it was enormously troublesome, but when 9/11 ended.... You see, during a crisis—a pandemic, an emergency—there are emergency measures that can be introduced to put the privacy laws on hold. The problem is that after the pandemic or emergency ends, often those emergency measures continue. Transparency goes out the door. Surveillance grows and continues to grow. That's what I'm concerned about with the pandemic now.
The pandemic, God willing, will be coming to an end. Measures are already being lifted in terms of our restrictions. We have to ensure that the measures taking place during these emergencies are suspended when the emergency is over, because we need to restore trust and we need to restore privacy. We can't have people believing that we just have to give up on privacy. No: You never ever give up on privacy. Privacy and freedom go hand in hand. They're both essential.